By Isaiah (Penguinwaffle) (216.255.204.100) on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:41 pm:

Attention Lightwave 3D Users!

Are you looking for a fun and rewarding challenge? Oraios Design Works is looking for a few good modelers. From time to time, we will be looking for skilled 3D modelers to fulfill small design projects, and we want you to participate. But that’s not all; we are also looking for promising talent to join our company. By submitting your work for our projects, you might find a very rewarding career in 3D modeling.

To make this fun for everyone, we've decided to make it a contest. You don't need to go any further than your own desk to participate in the contest, and the winner will receive a cash prize (see details for our current contest below). We don't need bones, character rigs or texturing, but if you want to make the extra effort, it will be taken into account for the final judging.

Our Current Contest

Our current contest is for an alpaca head. Alpacas are cute, furry creatures that look something like llamas, but not exactly. Some alpacas, of the Huacaya variety, have faces that look remarkably like Ewoks – the creatures from the planet Endor in Star Wars: Return of The Jedi. That’s what we’re looking for: an ewok-like alpaca that would knock the socks off of George Lucas himself! The winning entry will be incorporated into our design project. Oraios Design Works will have full, assignable reproduction and use rights to the winning entry.

The prize is: $100.00

The deadline is: January 10, 2003

How to Participate

For detailed information or questions, please email isaiah@oraiosdesign.com.
We will fax or email photos of alpacas to you, along with sketches of the finished work we would like to produce. However, you are free to conduct your own research for additional reference materials.
Our platform is Lightwave 3D, but we accept geometry in other standard formats: DXF, 3D Studio MAX, Maya. If you aren’t sure if your specific format will work, let us know what you’ve got and we’ll let you know. When in doubt, most programs allow DXF export.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (203.109.241.109) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:30 am:

"The prize is: $100.00"
"Oraios Design Works will have full, assignable reproduction and use rights to the winning entry"

Wow. That's an inexpensive way to acquire a model.

By Zack Cork (Ep_Shot) (172.134.13.159) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:44 am:

no kidding

By Jack Daniel (Jdaniel) (67.9.28.136) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:04 am:

I'll 2nd that!

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (203.109.241.109) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:40 am:

In fact, what a brilliant way to run a business! No need for employees. You could get thousands of people working for you, all for just $100. This could revolutionize manufacturing!

By Jim Williams (Hiraghm) (65.70.121.97) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:00 am:

What would be a typical going rate for a model like that?

By Matt Clary (Mattclary) (208.255.196.104) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:20 am:

I'm holding a contest to see who can build me the best house. The prize will be $10,000 for the winner! The contestant are required to furnish their own materials. Heck, I'll be generous and give the runner up $5000 and use that house for vacations.

By Felipe Esquivel (Titus) (148.243.251.4) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:08 am:

Can Viewpoint enter to the contest?

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:20 am:

So...
this company gets full assignable rights to the entries, and...
all for 100 bucks???

Oh boy...
this should be interesting.

Has anyone sent him the finger in the form of an exported Poser hand???

Just a thought. LOL

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:28 am:

Funny that this design company doesn't have a webpage to go with their email???

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (203.109.241.109) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 02:34 pm:

You might have noticed that there is no name given for any person within this company.

A WHOIS search of the domain name reveals that their internet address is owned by some investment company, registered only 4 months ago:


Registrant:
Havilah Capital Management, In
2423 W. Hayden Ave.
Hayden, ID 83835
US
(208) 762-4980
Fax: (208) 762-0624


Domain Name: ORAIOSDESIGN.COM

Administrative Contact:
Strain, James jstrain@havilahcapital.com
2423 W. Hayden Ave.
Hayden, ID 83835
US
(208) 762-4980
Fax: (208) 762-0624


Technical Contact:
Strain, James jstrain@havilahcapital.com
2423 W. Hayden Ave.
Hayden, ID 83835
US
(208) 762-4980
Fax: (208) 762-0624


Record expires on 08-09-2003
Record created on 08-09-2002

Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.DIRECTNIC.COM 66.79.10.199
NS1.DIRECTNIC.COM 64.38.245.203

By Jack Daniel (Jdaniel) (67.9.28.136) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

Rich, they are probably waiting for the rest of their website design contestants' entries. he-he

By tomszal (Tomzac) (205.213.72.2) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 03:47 pm:

Ah, you snooz you looz. Papa's bringing home the bacon. I'll either collect my $100 from these guys or I'll throw this puppy on Turbo Squid for $200. hehehe

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (203.109.241.109) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:29 pm:

Ha ha ha!!!! I'd like to see the tongue animate in and out.

By Isaiah (Penguinwaffle) (216.255.204.100) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:39 pm:

Too bad we don't need a horse or a penguin or a butterfly, because most of the animals on Turbo Squid are less than $100. Not to mention we only want the head - not the whole body. As we said, it doesn't even have to be textured or anything. Obviously most of you guys are just too good for a wimpy 100 bucks...I should have realized that everyone here is already raking in a six figure income with ILM or Pixar. Seriously... what do you guys do?

The point is, most of us do this kind of stuff for our own education and entertainment anyways - why not make a few bucks at something you do in your spare time anyway? It's not like we wouldn't let you take credit for the model. The company isn't going to get anything for the project anyway. This is a lowbrow, pro-bono project. And still we're willing to pay for the best submission. Still think you're the one getting stiffed? Where else can you get $100 for an alpaca head? Evidently money takes precedence over quality.. those models on turbosquid are pretty lame.

C'mon you guys... $100, one lousy head. Do you have anything better to do when you're bored?

Isaiah

By Userdelta (Userdelta) (24.199.91.219) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 04:29 am:

i dunno, it could take like 30 minutes to model, what do you want for that? $1000?

but i agree, if you're just looking for good modellers then just make it a contest for a contract or money and not a bad scheme to get a cheap model.

By Matt Clary (Mattclary) (208.255.196.92) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:55 am:

Isaiah, looking at your web page, you appear to do some modeling yourself. Why not just whip one up yourself?

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:51 am:

"one lousy head"???
There's already one submitted by Tomsac...LOL


Isaiah,
I...actually do make a six figure salary.
And yes...I do have better things to do when I'm bored.

As you'll notice, while cruising around for "free" models...you may note that they usually need more work than rebuilding them from scratch...they're good for background and stuff that is DOF blurry but not for the "frontman" on most projects.

You said, "The point is, most of us do this kind of stuff for our own education and entertainment anyways"...and the Matt apparently found your webpage, "you appear to do some modeling yourself"...

so?

Why aren't you doing it?

And then there's the insult...
If your "company" actually does 3d modeling and actually hires 3d modelers,
then you have no excuse.
I pay students more than that, when they work for me, just to be fair.

Oh well...
be damned fairness...
here's my submission.

Aren't they cute?

Sorry about the ugly watermark...LOL
but a nice one will cost you another 100 bucks.

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:15 am:

Anyone got some cotton and glue for those?

By Isaiah (Penguinwaffle) (216.255.204.100) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 04:59 pm:

Matt, I've only been using LW for a few months and I'm still learning the ropes of modeling. I've had a few shots at it but haven't gotten anywhere yet. Previously I was using sPatch (a fine freeware patches modeler) and Ray Dream Studio. Lightwave is a pretty big learning curve when you're used to lower-end tools. My website contains material that's mostly 2-3 years old.

Richard, congratulations on your six figure job, but the type of people we were looking for are talented amateurs who want work - you obviously have plenty of work so I don't know why you've even bothered to add your comments. I see a lot of talent around here and it seems like a lot of these folks are looking for a foot in the door... Anyway, thanks everyone. Though most of the response is negative, we've had some pretty good laughs actually. ;-)

Isaiah

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (172.173.146.44) on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 08:42 pm:

Note: Just found a great alpaca head online.

More than likely inspired by all the alpaca commercials I've seen on television as of late.
Don't ask...LOL

Anywho, the artist is asking about 500 for the model and you should probably have Sasquatch full ready to go because this thing looks hairy.

By Dan Ablan (Dablan) (64.105.116.14) on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 09:06 pm:

You know, the biggest problem here is that first it's a "contest" and then it's a "c'mon, make a few bucks in your spare time..."
Which is it? Either way it sounds deceiving and there are a lot of talented hard working people on this forum that would put in 200% if approached honestly. And, they'd probably do it for free.


Dan

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 06:51 am:

You're right Dan...

If the company is a startup, and it would appear to be so...maybe???
I'm sure they could rally the support of the community for a "credits only" trade off.
This whole thing just looks a little too dishonest and shady, riddled with contradictions.

The Lightwave/Newtek community is amazing in it's ability to help one another but also in it's ability to protect one another (ie the experienced protecting the newbies).

Maybe this was just presented poorly is all.

Still, having been burned, I'd stray from anything that so much as appears to be a flame.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (203.109.241.109) on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 11:07 pm:

It's kind of like how aspiring actors get taken advantage of. At least you won't be asked to take your clothes off.

By Facial Deluxe (Olivier) (212.198.0.93) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:06 am:

I second Dan. I also think that the way it's presented, the winner should receive 100$ as a contest prize, BUT the company will have to pay again to have the copyrights for professionnal uses or whatever.

By Valan Chan (Valan) (203.198.24.1) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 02:22 am:

Since there is the LW Contest Zone perhaps user contests could be posted there?

If user contests could be made more 'official' in the wording then there would be less concern.

Just a thought.

Valan

By Facial Deluxe (Olivier) (212.198.0.93) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 02:32 am:

It's not even a true contest. It's someone who doesn't want to hire a CG artist, so turn it into a contest, he doesn't take any risk at all.

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 07:31 am:

In this case...
I think that you're exactly correct Oliver.

By Michael Ross (Mikefrhowetx) (209.151.96.69) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:41 am:

Lets calculate scum suckers “Man Hour Product Cost” (MH / PC). 1/20 of LW’s enter $100 Product Cost “Your Prize” divided by ( (estimate 1000 3d artists) times (100 hrs modeling average) ) = “$0.001 PER Man Hour”.
You make similar industrialists Man Hour Production Cost such as Slavery, indentured servants and Nazi labor camp costs seem miniscule! They at least paid for their food till they died or aged! Your morals are as low as the TV talk shows and Survivors series that exploit human misery just as the Romans blood games did 2000 years ago for the sake of entertainment. However it is apparent you underestimated the intellectual level of this group. So I must infer you are one of the following:
1.An innocent 12 y/o trying to develop the next EverQuest?
2.A retarded sociopath cutting his teeth on the internet?
3.Your Lithium levels are too low for your bi-polar condition or the pharmacy is diluting it?
4.You are just a scum sucker?
Guest the correct one and receive $0.01 for a winning prize Isaiah!

By antonius pius (Antonym) (203.213.84.194) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 12:10 pm:

Getta grip willya people! I think you guys all gotta learn to chill a bit. They're not exactly asking for a new Enron corporate ID which will make them gazillions in electro-dollars.

The way I read it was that they have some bizarre idea to use an alpaca for some reason to add to their own self promotion. It's not an essential element but if someone does something, they'll use it.

A kid wants to do an alpaca he gets a hundred bucks and maybe a chance of further work in the future. No-one comes up with an alpaca then they'll simply do something else, no big deal.

PS. I am in no way associated with these two-bit, no good shysters! ;)

By Richard Stallsmith (Lwaddict) (63.125.144.5) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:02 pm:

Ok...
now I wasn't as bad as Michael was I? LOL.

Did love reading that though!

(Ouch my chest is hurting from laughing)