By ingo M (Ingo) (213.191.82.208) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 01:17 am:

Hi all,

does anyone from Newtek know how to get all plugins to work. When i try to work with QuemLoss or DoubleSide and some others i always get a "cant load plugin" error.

Any explanations from Chuck or our favourite programmer Arnie ?

By Chuck Baker (Cbaker) (207.235.86.2) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 05:17 pm:

I had Mark on the Tech staff try this, - we can't duplicate an error in adding the plugins on OS X with either 6.5b or 7.0. qemLOSS works for us. Further checks in progress....

By Mark (Markl) (207.235.86.2) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 05:19 pm:

Hey Ingo. Yep, I tried loading both plugins under OSX, OS 9.1, and Windows NT (just for the heck of it). Both load and work perfectly, no problems. I know of someone who had some issues loading plugins and we had them disable the hub, then try loading them....seem to have worked. Have you tried that? Now the "can't load plugin" error usually pops up when you try to work with a plugin that hasn't been added. Try going to the plugin and adding that one specifically.

By Stephen Enggass (Enggass) (216.227.148.206) on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 06:25 pm:

Work fine here in OS9.2...
Definitely turn off the HUB when loading plugins.

Do you get errors loading the *.p? or when you try
using them?

Steve E

By ingo M (Ingo) (213.191.82.251) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 06:22 am:

Ok. MakeDoubleside.p is shown in the Plugin overview, but the file doesn´t exists. And Quemmloss.p exists, but i cant load it. Works fine under Mac OS 9, but not under Mac OS 10

By Dan Carr (Dancarr) (142.165.18.227) on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 08:29 am:

I posted this same problem a couple of weeks ago. QEMLoss and DoubleSide will load under OSX, but I can't use them. I never run the Hub.

I haven't found a solution.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (198.142.219.124) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 05:56 am:

There's definitely a plug-in loading issue with OSX. I even get a plug-in loading error when I try to create some primatives.

I've running OSX 10.0.3, with a verion of Lightwave for OS9 and OSX sitting on the machine. I don't use the Classic environment.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (198.142.208.76) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:06 pm:

Just an extra note... reinstalling plug-ins with the hub turned off doesn't fix the problem. It really causes huge difficulties when so many plug-ins don't work.

I'm using Lightwave 6.5b for OSX. If anyone else is having the same problem you should also post your experiences here.

I'm wondering if the only way to get things working again is to pay for the upgrade to version 7.

By Chuck Baker (Cbaker) (207.235.86.2) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:19 pm:

Mark was incorrect - we've confirmed that doubleside.p is not present and qemLOSS2.p will not load properly on the OS X 6.5b. Tech Support has notified the product team.

By ingo M (Ingo) (213.191.82.214) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 04:21 am:

Thanks Chuck. I think you have to go through Modeller and test if some PlugIns load or not, because there are a few more not loading.

By Chuck Baker (Cbaker) (207.235.86.2) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 08:41 am:

Welcome, Ingo! I've been trying to get time for a staff to just sit down and do a complete audit of the plugins on the Mac under both OSes and 6.5b and 7.0, but so far we've only been able to do confirming checks on reported problems - phones, email, and this forum are all too busy to allow more than that. Please let us know any specific plugin (or other for that matter) problems you encounter, and we'll check those, and we'll keep working on getting an opportunity to do a full audit. When we do manage that, we'll post the results.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (198.142.205.2) on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 06:15 pm:

I'm finding that most of the standard plugins in Lightwave 6.5b OSX aren't working. To name a few:

*EPS import does not work.
*Creating a Quadric primative causes the error "cannot load mathplot.p"
*seashell.p doesn't load
*apatch.p (autopatch) doesn't load
*trying to "Cut Curves" produces the error "cannont load prims.p"
*pointreduce.p doesn't load
*reduce.p (reduce polygons) doesn't load
*fasttriple.p (fast triple fan) doesn't load
*teapot.p doesn't load

There are more... should I go on?

Did the OSX Lightwave get properly beta tested? Could it be a problem with the installer? If the problem is my user error I am happy if you can correct my ways.

Lightwave 6.5b for OSX seems to be rather non-functional at the moment. Even the above 2 confirmed errors (doubleside & qemLOSS2) are rather serious oversights.

What should I do with my non-working 6.5b? Newtek has moved on to version 7 now. It would feel nicer to upgrade to take advantage of new features, rather than just to fix these bugs to make the old version functional. Besides, I've got all the Worley plugins on my machine (these are all working beautifully in OSX) so I'm a bit hesitant to upgrade until Worely Labs certify their plug-ins for LW7.

If I upgrade to LW7, will the bugs definitely be gone? I'll upgrade if my woes will end!!!

By Rick (Unclebob) (212.32.44.108) on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 07:21 am:

I am running LW 6.5b OSX on a Dual 800 / 1.5G of RAM with a NVidia GeForce 3 card. Having problems with crashing in Layout and also with the plug-ins. I am also not impressed with the Open GL speed which should be addressed in the OS 10.1 release.

I don't have time to sort it out at the moment so I have had to revert to OS 9.2 which seems to be alot more stable.

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (198.142.219.40) on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 07:52 pm:

It can really leave you in a jam. My modeler crashes whenever I try to load a Type-1 font (T1 fonts are almost impossible to find these days).

Lightwave OSX doesn't accept true type fonts.

The EPS loader isn't working.

There's no way out!!!! How can I get any text work done?

Newtek really needs to do more on the Mac side of things. I don't think anyone can really say that the product has so far been up to standard.

The various platforms that Lightwave is released on need an equal amount of development resources. There's no point having one platform with less features and more bugs. This will only get people upset.

When OSX 10.1 comes out in late September it'll run much faster than previous versions. It'll be a great system with many advantages over Windows, as long as Newtek provides a product that had as much love and care put into it as its PC counterpart.

Please, Newtek, I say this constructively... please devote more resources to OSX development. Otherwise it'll be difficult to grow the Mac share. The problems that are listed above should have had more attention.

By Julian Johnson (Julianjohnson) (193.128.225.131) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 02:28 am:

Hi Beam Tracer,

I've only been using OSX 6.5b for a day, and I'm not sure that it helps you much, but under 10.0.4 the following are working under OSX 6.5b on my machine:

1. EPSF Import works fine.
2. Type 1 Font Loading is fine.
3. Seashell is working fine.
4. No problems creating Quadric primitives as far as I can tell (although I'm not sure about the tool you're using).

I'm not sure what to make of your problems with plugins not loading because on my install they're not there at all! For example, there is no apatch.p, fastriple.p, teapot.p, reduce.p or pointreduce.p in the 6.5b install with additional plugins. Cut curves isn't included with the prims.p suite of plugins. Are you getting an error message or do you mean they're not actually there?

Julian
The Mac Lightwave Resource Page
http://www.exchangefs.co.uk/lightwave/index.htm

By tim anderson (Tim) (66.26.104.18) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 06:45 am:

Beamtracer,
just went in and tried this stuff in X.04/6.5b./Hub Off(finally) and is working fine...
that is...the stuff thats there; like julian indicated.
eps loader, quadrics.. the whole smear.
go to, modeler/plugins/edit plugin/scan directory
and see if these are "actually" there.sounds as if somethings
not "quite right". they should be working.

By Mark (Markl) (207.235.86.2) on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:53 am:

Yeah sorry guys, I was checking both in OS9 and on my NT box, forgot to check it under X even though I posted it.

By Jason Linhart (Jason) (65.30.168.92) on Friday, August 31, 2001 - 01:24 pm:

QEMLoss2 and DoubleSided have been added to the OS X downloads page.

By Adrian Lawson (Dranos) (216.252.198.43) on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 09:51 am:

I'm having Plugins problems with 6.5b under OS X. Whenever I launch Layout or Modeler I have to load the plugins all over again. Modeler wont remember the new menu layout I personalised, I have to reload that too whenever I start up Modeler. The other wierd thing is that I had to go back to 6.5 under 9.1 in order to import an Illustrator file and this is after downloading the plugins for X. HELP!!!

By Adrian Lawson (Dranos) (216.252.198.37) on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 10:11 am:

I did a quick test with the Hub off as suggested and the plugins loaded automatically but the eps loader, even though it starts up wont load my eps file. It crashes Modeler. The file imports fine under 6.5 in OS 9.1. It was saved out of Illustrator 9 as an eps file with compatibility for version 8. The file imports fine under 6.5 in OS 9.1. Please tell me if I can expect this to work or I Lightwave 7 is the perfect solution.

By dann stubbs (Dann_Stubbs) (24.26.51.198) on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 08:14 am:

in my osx LW 6.5 there is no corresponding lscript folder in the model plugin (as there is in the 9x version)

chuck also mentions the new download as being doubleside.p but it is doublesided.ls

i do not see a doubleside.p in my osx version... anybody try these yet and see if they work? (or where they actually go? as usual i can't try them until i quit netscape and classic - then launch lw for osx to see)

dann

By Beam Tracer (Beamtracer) (198.142.216.43) on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 05:12 pm:

As I said before, I'd be happy if Newtek could explain that the above problems are my user error. However, there seems to be numerous other people with similar problems, making 6.5b OSX non-usable.

Could it be a fault with the installer? Could this by why Newtek is having difficulty repoducing the faults?

By Julian Johnson (Julianjohnson) (193.128.225.131) on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 02:37 am:

Hi Dann,

Both of the new plugins work (just by popping them into the Model folder and rescanning - it doesn't really matter where you put them as long as the path is accurately reflected in the Extensions file) although the doubleside LScript is subject to the LScript 2.2 problem in 6.5b where even if you call it from the Additional menu, you'll need to locate the actual .ls file each time for it to work. I can't see an OSX 2.2.2 LScript update on Newtek's site which would resolve that issue..

Julian
The Mac Lightwave Resource Page
http://www.exchangefs.co.uk/lightwave/index.htm

By dann stubbs (Dann_Stubbs) (24.26.51.198) on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 07:17 am:

yeah, thanks - after i asked i quit classic and tried it out. i just figured i'd ask so if there were more problems when i started classic back up i'd see,

i sure wish things were consistant between versions.

but yes, they did work fine here as well

dann

By Denny Butts (Dbutts) (24.49.227.39) on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 08:54 pm:

Well, I am glad to see the issue is coming up again, but a month later. Whether or not it will be answered about OSX LS. Why was OS9 patched to 2.2.2 but not OSX?

As you can see below, it was asked by two different people with no answers.

On 07/31/01
http://www.newtek.com/discus/messages/2/6100.html?996613545
By Sam Easterling on Friday, July 27, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Is LScript 2.2.2 coming for OSX? Thanks.

By Sam Easterling on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 03:05 pm:

Just pushing the thread to the top of the list. Anyone?

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Asked again by me:
http://www.newtek.com/discus/messages/2/7614.html?999115671

By Denny Butts (Dbutts) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 03:07 pm:

Can you use the LS 2.3 on the Downloads page on 6.5b for OS X? It actually says:

LScript 2.2.2 - Release Notes: | (06.29.01)

But the release notes show

"LScript v2.3 Release Notes" so is it really 2.3?

I know there are a few out there that require LS 2.2.2 but it was only released for OS 9 I thought?

Any help or answers would be appreciated.

Denny

By Denny Butts (Dbutts) on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 02:07 pm:

[ B U M P!] As I have seen it done on other threads. Any takers? Just a yes or no would be nice.