Audio sweetening

[Spdrcr03]

I said it once and I'll say it again, it would be nice to have a complete post production audio suite for final audio work to master. I've had several problems that could have been fixed if I could view the waveform of all the audio in the project to get levels equalized, etc.

Please Santa?

Bret

[tmon]

I'm wondering if there can be a way take a multi-wave file TEd project and import it directly into Sound Forge or Cool Edit Pro, or other 2nd party apps. It might not be prudent for NewTek to "reinvent the wheel" of audio sweetening....

Furthermore, unfortunately, an "audio suite" as you say, won't necessarily make the audio sound better. While NewTek has improved its 48KHz codec considerably, it is still lacking in quality, in my humble, but honest opinion.* Maybe T[3] will bring more improvement, but I've heard no indication of this. I would make this the number one audio priority, followed by a means for easy export to 2nd party sweetening suites.


*Try an "A-B" comparison between a clean audio source and TEd output, and a discerning ear can hear the difference. Again, it is not as dramtically different as it was in early builds, but the TEd codec is still doing some "thinnning out" of the lows...

[ScorpioProd]

Seems to me that the new wrapper technology in T[3] should allow you to bring any TEd project to your sweetening program of choice.

[mgrusin]

I suspect that the T3 wrapper will be read-only as far as other apps are concerned (I suspect that only because I don't know how they could make it write-back, but Newtek has managed the impossible before :)).

And whether wrapped or exported, you'd still only get TEd's mixdown to stereo, correct? This may or may not work for people who want to sweeten at the track level. You would think that a translator or exporter could be written between a TEd project, and a Cakewalk project, for instance, since they should hold approximately the same information (point at source files, etc.) Any third-party guys listening?

I'm not complaining - I haven't had a project I couldn't sweeten within TEd to the quality required by the project, but so far my projects haven't needed top-notch audio.

-MG

[SBowie]

Originally posted by mgrusin
I suspect that the T3 wrapper will be read-only as far as other apps are concerned (I suspect that only because I don't know how they could make it write-back, but Newtek has managed the impossible before :)). I think it may work, actually, "after a fashion."

Even though the wrapped 'AVI' presumably merely points back to the original media, and it is unlikely that modifications performed within an app (say Sound forge, for example) would be able to be saved over the original tracks (perhaps not desirable anyway?), it should be possible to export (Save As) a single Wave file which incorporates all the changes. then one could lay that under the project, muting the originals.

Not quite as nice as built-in (to TEd) "per-clip" audo filters, but not shabby all the same.

(Of course, I could be all wet!)

[darenu]

with Nuendo:

- Nuendo will actually replace the audio portion of an interleaved .AVI file. Very convenient when just working with finished files (or doing something like EQ'ing and compressing a source camera file with bad audio) but I don't see how it possibly could do that to a wrapped project.

- Nuendo will also import EDL's (Premiere format) and OMF's. Hopefully T[3] will provide enough compatibility in this area to get all of the audio laid out. I'm not sure how EDL's would deal with keeping specific audio clips on specific tracks, since TEd still doesn't appear to use standard V and A tracks.

- Nuendo will allow the import of 1 video .AVI (or Quicktime) file on one video track for playback/sync purposes. The Wrapper is perfect for this, especially if you get frame buffer video output when accessing a Toaster wrapped .AVI. Not sure if this will be the case though??

[ScorpioProd]

But that's the thing, since a wav file is SOOO tiny compared to video, it's not a big deal to do the sweetening and save it out as a new wav and just put that in TEd after.

[tigerbill]

Originally posted by Spdrcr03
I said it once and I'll say it again, it would be nice to have a complete post production audio suite for final audio work to master... Bret

I'd settle for just some basic Audio EQ control over the computer generated inputs. But it looks like they still haven't added those even to VT 3. I'm not complaining (too much), after all I'm an original Amiga 2000 Toaster owner who recently upgraded to a VT [2] - but how can you seriously call it a "studio in a box" with no audio control over computer generated inputs - other than volume control? :(