Could we get these options in TED....

[MediaSig]

....here we go...

1. Individual tracks for audio and video (V1, V2, V3...A1, A2, A3...etc.) with the option to turn layers on and off in the timeline?

2. To layer video layers on TOP of each other instead of underneath? (maybe Video layers up and audio layers down - starting from the middle and working out so to speak)

3. Use of In and Out points in the timeline to specify an area in which to lay a new piece of video (in other words - three point editing).

4. A Source and Record Windows options to trim our source footage before it's placed in a sequence and also have a playback window dedicated to the timeline

5. A smaller icon option for transistions placed in the timeline (I personally have a hard time making out transitions on a large tmeline since they seem to blend in).

6. An option to make the edit panel stay permanantly so that it doesn't disappear when a clip is not selected.

7. The option to render, export, or process a defined area between in and out points on the timeline (of course this would have to use the in and out points as stated above). This should be able to be done in the middle of clips without having to cut them and also select WHICH layers would be included.

8. A mode for scrubbing through the timeline with the pointer ANYWHERE in the timeline and not just on the time-bar above. It would be great if i could drag the pointer ANYWHERE through the timeline and it not select or pick up a piece of footage - just freely scrub.

9. The ability to define where the audio and video of a piece of footage goes in the timeline (again..this would work well with the individual Video and Audio Tracks)

I REALLY....REALLY ....would like to see these as options in TED in the very near future. I say options because it seems many here like the way TeD works and I'm not trying to upset the apple cart.

....I've got more...but this is enough for now.

Thanks,
Greg

:)

[RomainR]

You can already do number 8, just shift click anywhere on the timeline and scrub to your hearts content.

[MediaSig]

...hey...thanks for th tip....

now...can I make that my default mode? Is there an option to keep that "ON" all the time?

Thanks,

Greg

[kleima]

Not exactly sure what you mean by #4., but I think what you are trying to do can be done in Storyboard editing mode. Don't overlook the storyboard for initial edits - very fast, very powerful.
Click on the storyboard tab, and then hold down the ALT key and when the mouse is over the left side of a clip icon you will see the in-point and when it is over the right side on the icon you will see the outpoint (the icon image changes & the in & out will show up on Tvision & external monitor). THen, dragging will allow you to set in and out points. Doing this in the Storyboard ensures that you don't have to move downstream clips to close up gaps. The whole project adjusts downstream.
Once you get the hang of using BOTH storyboard and timeline for every project you will never edit the same! ;)

[kleima]

BTW, when dragging clips from the file bin , you can select multiple clips and they will drop into the storyboard in the order that you clicked on them in the bin (hold down the CTRL key to select multiple clips in the file bin). So, in conjunction with what I posted above, this is better than trimming the clips before bringing them into the project. (IMHO)

[MediaSig]

...well...her is my issue...

I cannot trim a clip that is not already in a sequence...

I have tried many ways but unless I am wrong, there really is no way for me to trim a clip and leave it in the file bin trimmed without putting it into an edit project first. I have set up my system to have 2 edit projects running at once, and I use one of them just to trim clips...but it's cumbersome and if you try to have the edit panel switch between the two edit windows...BAM...instant crash.

I'm used to editing with programs like Media Composer, and Final Cut. I just would like to have some of the options I'm used to using in those packages available to me in TeD.

Greg

[jackz]

For number 5: to help identify your transition DVEs in the time line you will want to use the Color Picker. Goto your DVE Folder and use the Color Picker to change the color of the any or all icons to Green or Pink take your pick. Then whenever you place a colored icon on the time line/storyboard it will appear with it's new color.

That will make them standout.
(my bust) you can use color picker within the timeline and storyboard to high light your transitions and you can colorize DVEs within the file/bin but the colors will not carry over when you drag from the file bin to the timeline/storyboard)

About Trimming Clips and File Bins...
Not certain about this but, it works for effects settings. See happens if you take each clip to the timeline or story board adjust the in and out points maybe even colorized etc... then drag the edited clip back down to the file bin....

Then see what happens when you drag the new clip back to a new or different time line....

I have used that technique with effects and it saves those settings it could work with a video clip but I'm not at my machine to give it a try.

Hope that helps

[jcupp]

You can also have a second TEd open to story board mode and use it as sort of a 'bin'. Open clips edit, trim color correct etc. and then drag them to your actual 'edit' TEd.


Originally posted by jackz
About Trimming Clips and File Bins...
Not certain about this but, it works for effects settings. See happens if you take each clip to the timeline or story board adjust the in and out points maybe even colorized etc... then drag the edited clip back down to the file bin....

[kleima]

As Jack says, you can trim a clip and drag it back into the file bin and it will make an icon representing the trimmed clip. Then, you can drag the trimmed clip back into any project. You could make a separate folder for trimmed clips to keep those icons separate from the full clip versions.

[SBowie]

Originally posted by jcupp
You can also have a second TEd open to story board mode and use it as sort of a 'bin'. Open clips edit, trim color correct etc. and then drag them to your actual 'edit' TEd.


You can trim in a DDR and then drag the trimmed clip back into a File Bin as well.

[prospector]

Altho I hate pop-ups, we need one like LW has to find files after they have been moved.

Like __video clip 19 is missing;
would you like to locate it ?

yes no

[MediaSig]

...I want to thank everyone for the suggestions. The great thing as well all know about the VT community is the help we all give one another. :-)

What I have read here seem to be "work-arounds" (well...except for the answer to number 8 on my list) to get what I want out of TeD. As much as I appreciate the suggestions, they really don't make VT work they way I want to edit and thus add extra steps in the process.

What I have posted are my "feature requests" and I hope (as I hope they will with everyone's ideas) NewTek will look into implementing them soon in TeD. We all want to personalise VT to work for our own needs and I hope NewTek sees the strength in us having choice to do so.

Thanks everyone and I hope NewTek is listening.
;-)
Greg

[Rich Deustachio]

#6 is in VT3....I saw it :)

As for your #1

I like the fact that we can put video and audio clips anywhere WE want to and not be told by the software were video/audio track have to go. Why would you want to be forced to place the clips on a particular track? I would rather have the option to put it anywhere.

[MediaSig]

...well...I find it difficult not having any organization on the timeline (it could just be the way my mind works).

But when my audio clips are attached to my video clips (and let's say they are scattered across a 30min. program with over 200 individual clips and not all on the same track), I find it difficult to do any GROUP operations to them. Yeah...you can group select or lasso them in a way, but I find it much easier to know that my audio is realized like this...

A1 - clip audio
A2 - Voice Over
A3- Sound Effects
A4 - Music cues or sound tracks

Now..when I have to go and change a sound effect, I know what track it is in...it will always be there unless I change it, and it's placed there by me.
If I need to turn off all the other sound in a project and just hear the sound FX, I can turn A1, A2, and A4 off - just monitoring A3. Hopefully there would be some kind of option to then do some group mixing or processing to clips in one track of the timeline. Example - all my VO's are a little too hot. I select the A2 track, set and In and out range in which to group effect and bring the level down 2db on all the clips in that track.
Have the ability to export individual tracks also helps if I need to take all the tracks and have them mixed someplace else.

Video in the same way. Lets say I am just cutting video and have all my clips placed in V1 - all just cuts. Now...I want to see what my edit looks like with a few new cuts (or a lot of new cuts) throughout the piece. Well...I guess I could just create a new project and make the cuts - OR I could put all my new cuts on V2 and make the timeline view all video layers from V2 on down (layers V1 and V2). Now I can see my alternate cut on the same time line. Want to see the original, turn off layer V2 and I can then watch my original cut on V1.

Maybe it's just me, but I find this much easier.

;)
Greg

[Paul Lara]

Originally posted by MediaSig
I find it much easier to know that my audio is realized like this...

A1 - clip audio
A2 - Voice Over
A3- Sound Effects
A4 - Music cues or sound tracks



Greg,
The VT[3] toolshed will allow precisely what you seek: the ability to select and modify levels globally based on the type of audio clip it is.

;)

[MediaSig]

Originally posted by Paul Lara
Greg,
The VT[3] toolshed will allow precisely what you seek: the ability to select and modify levels globally based on the type of audio clip it is.

;)

Thanks for the reply Paul. That sounds like a start.

Now...what about all my other feature requests...do they seem DO-able in TeD (or at least a future revision of TeD)?]

Thanks,
Greg

[Paul Lara]

Originally posted by MediaSig
Now...what about all my other feature requests

1) I guess so

2) It sounds completely unworkable to start in the middle of the timeline and work up and down. I could see maybe adding the ability to toggle the top - down behavior to bottom - up.

3) Yeah, three point's do-able. In the meantime, press 'm' to lay a marker at that point, and snap your new clip to that marker. Play the clip, and when it gets to the inpoint you wish to use, press 'i' and it will re-align the inpoint to that marker.

4) You could simluate 'source' & 'record' now, as well as a Bins behavior, by simply launching a second editor and having one on Program TVision, the second on a Preview TVision.

5) I don't follow you...you "have a hard time making out transitions on the timeline" and so you want to make them smaller? Please elaborate, Greg.

6) There is now a 'thumbtack' in VT [3] to keep Edit Props always visible and in front

7) Well, as it is now, you still need to perform a non-destructive 'cut' on a clip if you want to render out beginning at a particular frame.

8) It's there already. Simply hold down the shift key and click in ANY blank spot in your timeline, and the scrub bar will snap to that spot.

9) I guess so.

[MediaSig]

Thanks again for the input Paul.

Well...I have to admit I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I try to do cuts and transtitions on the on same line. If I were doing A/B line editing with transitions placed on a line in-between, then yeah I could make them out.

I know when I work with Media Composer, I can look at a 30min timeline and see just about every effect that is there and actually be able to identify what it is a a glimpse (sometimes it's a little difficult). I think it's the fact that the height of the transition icons (when on the same line at the video) is the same as the clips and to me sort of blend in. I know there are a different color, but sometimes I can identify parts of my edit by where transistions are placed ( I know...must be the way I think ). Seems like MC and FCP both do this and I like it.

Maybe that's a little more clear.

Greg

[mblade]

Regarding number 7:

I just drop a Force Render clip at the top of the timeline (so it has no effect on anything), drag it to the duration I want to render, right click it and hit render selected time range. Any other effect that works upwards through the timeline works just as well (hold still for example). This avoids having to make cuts in my project.

J.

[Paul Lara]

GREAT tip, James. THANKS!

[slacker]

As far as #1, it would be great if we could simply name each layer whatever we wanted to call it, sort of like in photoshop. That would preserve the flexibility and still allow for organization.

Regards,

Joel Slack
Media Department, New Life Christian Fellowship

[Rich Deustachio]

Now I like that suggestion. It would allow you to have the best of both worlds.

[Danner]

If you want to identify where your transitions are.. use the story board editor! I used to not use it at all.. and now half my editing work is done there! Switching the order of clips, copying or adding transitions, adjusting in and out points of clips, deleting spaces, and many other things are easier there.

What I love about this feature request forum is that I´ve learned more useful techniques than any other forum! =)

[MediaSig]

Originally posted by Paul Lara
1) I guess so

2) It sounds completely unworkable to start in the middle of the timeline and work up and down. I could see maybe adding the ability to toggle the top - down behavior to bottom - up.

4) You could simluate 'source' & 'record' now, as well as a Bins behavior, by simply launching a second editor and having one on Program TVision, the second on a Preview TVision.

5) I don't follow you...you "have a hard time making out transitions on the timeline" and so you want to make them smaller? Please elaborate, Greg.

7) Well, as it is now, you still need to perform a non-destructive 'cut' on a clip if you want to render out beginning at a particular frame.

8) It's there already. Simply hold down the shift key and click in ANY blank spot in your timeline, and the scrub bar will snap to that spot.

9) I guess so.

1) I HOPE so...

2) How is that? Look at AVID, FCP, PREMIERE, and I think Edit* - they all work that way. They start in the middle with tracks V1 A1 A2 - Audio layers underneath, Video layers on top. They start in the middle and work their way out. Everything is organized in their defined layers.

4) I am currently doing this. Unfortunately, if I have the edit panel selected on both Editors and then switch between them - BOOM - instant Toaster CRASH! Also, if I have to do it this way, I would like to scale the second editor down a bit smaller - it can only go so far. It would be nice to have a source and record setup for editing like this.

5) I think I'll have to send in a screengrab to make my point

7) This could be done with in and out points on the timeline and defining which tracks to use (V1, V2, A1, A2, etc.) - no cuts are made.

8) Cool..but can I have this as an option that could be 'ON' all the time (ala AVID)?

9) Again...I HOPE so (of course this is with the idea of individual tracks for Audio and Video in mind).


This is really kinda difficult for me. I post these requests as REQUESTS and I feel like I'm getting 'luke-warm' replies and people looking at me like I have THREE HEADS! I understand the logic and the ideas behind the way TeD edits. It seems to work for a lot of people, but I don't neccessarily agree (twelve years of editing the way I have tells me that - and I KNOW others have done it longer and still like TeD better - but we are all doing different things and we have our own way of editing). I hope there are others who agree with me, else I might be looking to move on (unfortunately - NewTek has helped me go far in my career).

Greg

[darenu]

Re: #7 (Render to In and Out Points)

Several audio post software solutions I use (specifically Nuendo) use "special" timeline markers for this (and other) purpose(s). Marker #1 is also an "In" marker, and #2 is an "Out" marker. For visual purposes, the area between marker #1 and #2 is highlighted (or "not dimmed").

Maybe this could be built into Ted, where you place timeline markers, the area between them becomes the light grey (signifying the "work area" or "render area"), and then the render panel could offer either "Render Selected" or "Render Work Area".

My other $0.02: I'd really like to see the option to use standardized video and audio tracks. It would make it easier for the editors I bring in who are used to FCP/Avid/Premiere to make the transition (as would many of Greg's other requests). It would make it easier for me on larger projects too. Imagine if you could also apply video or audio filters to a whole track...

Lastly, Greg I understand your frustrations in this area. While it is extremely helpful for the immediate and short term to get workarounds, and this community is fabulous in sharing such wisdom and clever methods, they are still just "workarounds" and I would hope that you and others would feel free to request features that just "work" without the "around" :)

[MediaSig]

Originally posted by darenu
Re: #7 (Render to In and Out Points)

Several audio post software solutions I use (specifically Nuendo) use "special" timeline markers for this (and other) purpose(s). Marker #1 is also an "In" marker, and #2 is an "Out" marker. For visual purposes, the area between marker #1 and #2 is highlighted (or "not dimmed").

Maybe this could be built into Ted, where you place timeline markers, the area between them becomes the light grey (signifying the "work area" or "render area"), and then the render panel could offer either "Render Selected" or "Render Work Area".

My other $0.02: I'd really like to see the option to use standardized video and audio tracks. It would make it easier for the editors I bring in who are used to FCP/Avid/Premiere to make the transition (as would many of Greg's other requests). It would make it easier for me on larger projects too. Imagine if you could also apply video or audio filters to a whole track...

Lastly, Greg I understand your frustrations in this area. While it is extremely helpful for the immediate and short term to get workarounds, and this community is fabulous in sharing such wisdom and clever methods, they are still just "workarounds" and I would hope that you and others would feel free to request features that just "work" without the "around" :)

Daren,

Phew...I was getting worried there for a minute!

I AGREE with your entire post and I'm glad to know I'm not alone. It would help editors from the OTHER solutions make the transition easier. And YES...our community is helpful, but a one keystroke solution (one button press, etc.) is MUCH faster than work-arounds.

Anybody else?

Greg

[AntAT]

..........

[MediaSig]

:(

I really hope these requests (the whole thread) isn't gonna get buried. I really hope NewTek is looking into some of these optinos.

Greg

[Paul Lara]

Originally posted by MediaSig
I really hope NewTek is looking into some of these optinos.


Yes, we are Greg.

[MediaSig]

Cool Paul...

...and thank you!

Greg

[djlithium]

Well work around or not, much of what the Toaster I think was "thunk up" to do, it does. You are trying to cook the product into something it was never intended right off the bat to be while expecting instant changes.

In my current situation just T2 (not T3) does everything I need it to do and then some. Small feature requests that no other application even has are now happening in VT3 and that will make my life much easier, but at the end of the day, VT as a platform does what I need it to do as a 1. Editor. 2. Switcher 3. Effects unit. 4. Rack of tape decks with a patch bay.
I can comfortably live with it and make money in this state. :)

I can understand that people want features, perhaps available in other applications like final cut, but lets be realistic here. FCP Pro is not a switcher, FX unit, 3D package or even a decent uncompressed editing system (due to platform related issues). Avid Express DV.... same deal. Dollar for dollar a t3 or even a T2 makes what I need to have happen possible. I can't get that out of 1, 2 or 1000 avid systems at any price.

Feature requests are cool, but keep in mind that feature requests of tools from some other application may not always be the right thing to ask for in TEd as an editor, or perhaps the best way to do it in the first place. I have found that many of the ways things are done in Avid products are not only stupid, but deliberately increase clicks per hour to make an editor look busy(can we say union payrates?) and suck up more time then someone with TEd who knows how to really use it. Work around or not.

Let's see... Avid products like Express or Newscutter have been in development a long time, and they are not really as stable and or as practical as many would make them out to be when it really comes down to it. FCP has a lot to be desired as well. VT3 is the next logical step for what Toaster needs to be, as a balanced, well rounded product for all the areas of the market that it targets. As things progress, I am sure each portion of the application will improve and evolve into a vastly superior product on its own when used as such (Ted), or as a compelte tool set ie; the toaster suite of tools.

Remember, Toaster is not just an editor. So don't look at it as only an editor. If you are only using it for TEd, you are using about 10 percent of what you can use and probably getting about half the work done in the same period of time. If you are having problems deprogramming Avid or FCP people, grab some kid who likes movies, plays X-box and wants to edit and see how fast they pick up Toaster. You would be supprised.

I am constantly having to undo the damage done by schools to students in BC who teach mac or avid based editing programs (the worst is avid people) when training them on the VT systems. Almost ALL of these kids from 30,000 dollar video production or digital cinema production courses can't even make heads or tails of a wave form vector scope let alone understand how to dub a tape properly. I would say that if you can find someone who can plug in their VCR and make copies of their favorite movies, you would be better off hiring them then some crusty avid or edit 6 editor. Or worse, some snotty FCP mac kid straight out of some "artschool" who thinks he knows what he is doing. Are you there to teach applications or are you there to teach gear?

TEd is about the simplest editor out there on the planet to pick up. I have had and Edit guy walk out cause it "doesn't have this key or that key".... And wastes 3 hours of studio time fussing about it instead of looking at the help menu for keyboard shortcuts. That guy hasn't worked in a long time. So screw em.


With regards to having two copies of Ted open, I usually run with 3 plus 3 ddr's and two capture panels and audio mixer plus switcher and never have crashes. The only way you used to be able to crash Toaster using two copies of TED was dragging and dropping from one Ted to another. Use control c (copy?? ;) ) and you are good to go.

In 3890, this is fixed.

[Gouac]

I got your point but, I consider myself like an editor geek and tried every edit softs.
Your right about all the softs you mentioned, there is one which has a better workflow than TED, "INCITE".

Alas TED missed a few simple shortcuts wich can really improve the editing speed.
TED his filled with hundreds of ideas that makes him better than INCITE on many levels.
but there's just some possibilities that I want to see in the future that could accelerate our work by two if they where there.

(two is a little exagerate, but you see what I mean)

(if you want the details of what's in INCITE and not in TED: http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5987)

after reading it, close your eyes and imagine yourself doing those in TED =)

[MediaSig]

DJ

...I see your point here...none-the-less...this is a feature REQUEST area, and what I have posted are requests and given reasons as to why I would like to see them implemented in TED.

TeD does some great things, and I'll sit down to practically any system and edit with it if I have to. TeD itself has a lot of great shortcuts built in, but there are some things I would like to see as options. I see no problem with that. Mind you all of us who have used Avid for years (and who knows what else before that) are not crusty nor do we feel AVID is the best out there - I don't understand why poeple consider us all to be ********. I didn't learn to edit on AVID by choice, but it's kept me in work for the past seven years.

The Avids I work on have been rock solid. My VT2 is rock solid except for one thing. On 3890...I can drag and drop from edit panel to edit panel no problem. Now, please try keeping the Edit panel button on in BOTH edit screens and then switch from one to the other by switching from one clip in a timeline to another - BOOM.

Mind you, many of us bought into ToasterNT (VT1) when it was an EDITOR (Razor) with Aura and LIghtwave Express included. It was an editor and yes, we knew there were the other elements in development. Unfortunately, one would have expected to at least have most of the same functions in TeD as found in Razor if switching to VT2 - yet that wasn't quite the case. And after a certain point, Razor became unusable with VT2 - that was frustrating. I would like to enjoy editing with VT2, but from an organizational side (for me that is) it's frustrating. I don't expect to edit the way you like to edit, nor do i expect you to have to edit my way. No one is right or wrong - we are all tryign to reach the same goal. That's why I ask for features as options - Want to do this, click on in the Preferences panel - Don't want to use it - dissable the option. That's all. It will take time for NewTek to give us this and we have to be a squeeky wheel now and hope they will listen.

One thing is TRUE...we've all become somewhat greedy with NewTek (I am a part of this). They give us one and we want ten. They give us the world and we ask for the universe. It's just kinda that way it happens and I do feel for them. They are tryign to create the best product they can and some of us just aren't quite satisfied. But they need this kind of feedback from their users for continue moving forward. If we are happy with what they give us, word of mouth spreads, and hopefully NewTek business will grow.

Greg

[kleima]

I still use Razor with T[2]. It works just fine. Why is it unuseable for you?

[MediaSig]

there seems to be a problem with Razor after a certain version of VT(2).

I'm out of town and away form my system, but I know therear some problems with 3980 (? Latest version number - not sure right now) - I think I read that the problem has stayed since an earlier build of T2.

I don't know if everyone is having the problem, but audio has a tendency to continue playing after you stop a sequence and then you get an error - I think it mentions something about an error - audio error - not sure...none-the-less, it's annoying and random (yet still happens on a regular basis). It slows editing down.

I did install the demo of Razor 5.5 and it worked fine. This might be the way I'll be going.

Do a search on VideoToasternt.com - you might find some threads about it there.


See ya,
Greg

[travisr]

One thing about NewTek is that they listen to the video professionals, and are generally good about responding to the needs of the community.

The reason I bought the new VT2 (and am looking forward to 3), is because of it's ability to do both non-linear, and A/B roll editing. It's very flexible and powerful.

However, I would very much like to see TED be able to simulate A/B roll editing. Meaning, be able to sync up long video clips and quickly and easily tell it when to switch between the sources. If this can be achieved, this would definately make the new Toaster a one-of-a-kind editor. I have never seen any non-linear editor do this effectively.

I would like to be able to digitize footage from a multi camera shoot, align the clips so that they are running simultaneously, and then shuttle through and add, move, or delete dissolves (or other transitions) at will.

At the same time, it would be cool to determine if you want to keep one audio source, or follow the video with the audio.

I'll give you an example of why this would be cool:

One of the types of productions we do is dance recitals. We shoot with multiple cameras. Since the performances run about 2 hours... it would be great to digitize all of camera one as a clip. Then digitize all of camera 2 as a clip. Then sync them up in TED and scrub through to find the best places to transition. Drop them in... and output the result to tape. This would be so much faster than having to piece together each edit.

The same goes for wedding videos. You have an hour long ceremony with multiple cameras... it would be so nice to digitize the footage from each camera as it's own source... sync up the footage, and add transitions between the sources either on-the-fly, or at least with an easy method of dropping transitions into the mix without having to chop up the clips. In addition, you shouldn't need to limit this feature to only two sources. If you want to simulate A/B/C/D roll... you should be able to sync all the sources up, and transition at will.

One last feature, using the wedding example...

Let's say you've been able to sync up the sources, and add all of your transitions... but you want to fade out and then eliminate "communion". You should be able to fade to black, and remove a certain portion of all of the sources. Then fade back up.. or into the next scene. Moving or deleting scenes obviously isn't a problem for TED. but to be able to affect multiple syncronized video tracks identically would be awesome!

I'd be in heaven if the new VT3 could do something like this!! It would save us hours and hours of editing time, and give us the flexibility to make changes (unlike A/B roll tape-to-tape... where we would need to go back and match frame, and adjust proc amps to exactly what they were at the time).

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Request Item 2:

I've been using the video toaster since 1.0 on the Amiga. One feature that is sorely missing from the switcher is the ability to easily create and load freeze frames. Perhaps I'm not yet familiar enough with the VT2, but it seems like a tedious process to get still images into my A/B roll edits. It would be great to be able to grab a frame from a clip, and drop it into the switcher... or even load up a sequence of stills and drop them into the switcher. The ability to grab freeze frames on the fly with the Amiga Toasters, and store them into DV1 and DV2 was very handy. There should be a simple way to incorporate this type of functionality into the next generation Toaster.


If these two features could be modified/added I would never need a new edit system. If these features already exist, please help me figure out how to do it. Thanks!

[Danner]

1. The easiest way to do multicam editing in Tedit as far as I know is this:
reduce your clips so they are picture in picture
turn overlay on
sinc them
put markers on the ones you want to cut to
reset size on them
select a clip and hit the Z key at every marker
repeat for other clips.

2. to have stills in the switcher load them in a DDR (or as many DDRs as you like)


Good luck

[kleima]

Why don't you REALLY save time and do a live switch for the dance recital or wedding. You have to cart in you Toaster, but then you have NO editing afterwards. Live events are the reasons for live switching! :)

[wvp]

Well I'm with you. In fact I have allready posted this request before. I am glad to see there are more & more people interested in this feature - the more likely it will be be done.
Multicam editing software does exsist, but I would LOVE to see it in VT.
There are many times when you do not need non-linear, for those times computer based editing it mcuh more time consuming.
As for your still issue - with vt[2] I think the way to handle it would be to pause the timeline line a frame & then set the capture panel to capture from the switcher/ted, set for 1 frame & keep on grabbing.
In vt[3] it sounds like it might be easier to grab a frame.
FTI, there is kb shortcut for dropping in the stills & putting fades in between.

[travisr]

The reason I would prefer this feature in TED, instead of live switching is cost:

1. I have to have an additional person on location to act as technical director. Of course, we would need the TD to be able to communicate with the cam operators (even with a headset, this is pretty intrusive at a wedding)

2. Since competitive pricing is a major factor when determining which production company to hire... every dollar we can save will make it easier for us to get the contract. Having a TD on location increases our costs.

3. Editing these events as A/B is much faster than using TED. However, it doesn't give us the precision that TED offers. If only TEd could do multi-camera editing, we could edit these types of events quickly, and with the ultimate control to make live events come across perfectly. This would save us tons of time.. and therefore money, while increasing the quality of just an A/B roll edit.

4. Dragging my Toaster to each event is not something I'm anxious to do. Chances of damaging the unit would certainly increase, and it would also take away from editing time in the suite while on location. Time is money... also events such as weddings are crowded enough without bringing along extra equipment and personnel.

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It's nice to know I'm not the only one who could benefit tremendously from this feature. TED is great for single camera shoots. Multiple camera shoot just don't work well in TED. That can change dramatically if a multi-cam edit feature was added to TED. As a matter of fact, it would save me so much time and money, I'd even consider hiring a 3rd party programmer to build me a interface that would do the trick.