Will multiple installs be permitted?

[woollard]

The Sony Vegas licensing agreement permits you to install the software on as many machines as you own, as long as you are not running the programs at the same time. For instance, you can install the software on your home machine and on your laptop. You are not allowed to install the software on multiple machines if you are going to be using them simultaneously, such as in a home studio setting. If you are going to run the software concurrently on more than one machine, you would need to purchase a separate license for each computer.

Will the SpeedEDIT agreement confer similar rights?

Thanks
Mark

[rbartlett]

This aspect interests me too. As I'm the only editor about the place and have multiple machines for slightly different duties. Even the computer I use at my daytime job has Vegas on it - that very "field demo" area has given Sony more sales than I'd like to even mention in these walls.

The next nearest would be the ability to login to NewTek and port the license between machines on a "seat"/machine-ID basis. With there being a means to trap would-be/possibly-be EULA-breakers to prevent too much flexibility. Sony do have this notion in addition to watching for the concurrency "call-homes" where they are allowed-to/can get through. That type of license would also permit selling on of the "package" in the future, the ability for which could result in more multi-seat installations in the first place. I'm of the understanding that Sony do have a fraud department that watch for purchases that go AWOL. Maybe this isn't an option for SE.

Software is becoming less tangible, tax wise and experience wise. Perhaps we'll be sending our tapes, drives and 3D-scenes over to NewTek to run the mainframe 200-core-Windows version of SpeedEDIT over the Internet in the near future. Pay as we work by the hour!

I'll conclude by saying that Sony MediaSoftware were wise to continue the generous tradition of Sonic Foundry. I have my doubts they'd have come up with the idea themselves. They'd have used at the minimum a Sony MP3 player or mobile phone's IMEI for a unique-embedded-code as a dongle or something! In an often cold and calculating world, the heart warming feeling from a flexible license is welcome.

[kleima]

I would NOT appreciate a licence that had to be verified via internet or something every time it was used! I often go on International trips and don't connect for a long time. I would not be very happy if the thing stopped working because it couldn't connect to Newtek servers!

:thumbsdow

[rbartlett]

Without wishing to harp on, Sony doesn't require the application to call back each time or even at any frequency. I'd say it is safe to assume that all NLEs assume they are isolated at least for some of the time. In my home Vegas is blocked by virtue of my edit PCs not having an Internet connection. At work, it is blocked by the personal firewall app blocker and our perimeter firewall appliances. It does make activation easier in Vegas if you can make a temporary connection but you can save your credentials to register from any PC.

I'd be surprised if SE was different. The question that leads this post is with regard to whether the license is used-up once it has been installed on a given PC? A bit like an OEM copy of Windows I suppose?

If your PC breaks and is replaced, or if you have more than one PC but you are a sole trader and have no intention to render more than one job at a time, or if you wish to sell the copy on - what are the options?

[Seattle-HotShot]

This came up in a different discussion, can't remember if it was here or on the VTNT list.

For me, I'd have my home system, and probably a laptop or small portable that I'd take to events. Before I had my FireStore FS-4, I used WinDV on my laptop to capture straight to hard drive, live. On my longer events, the idea of not worrying about swapping tapes every 63 minutes was nice. And the idea of not having to capture from tape before editing. Even if I did have to transfer the files off my laptop, I could do that unattended, vs being there to put in tapes.

So I could see having SpeedEDIT on a laptop, if nothing else, just to capture on location. It would be cool if we could buy a second key at a reduced rate, but where would they draw the line? As it is, I was in on the deal where I bought the VT-5 upgrade and got SE for free.

Has anyone seen a good HDV Capture utility, like WinDV yet?

[pnelson]

The license of SpeedEDIT will be for only one computer. There will be a mechanism in place for people who need to switch the install to another computer.

[evexon]

The license of SpeedEDIT will be for only one computer. There will be a mechanism in place for people who need to switch the install to another computer.

At what frequency? I could see working on a laptop by day then returning to the office after hours and working on the desk top. I do this with lightwave and my USB dongle (HINT HINT) very often.

Steve

[pnelson]

SpeedEDIT is licensed to be installed on one computer. For the scenerio mentioned about, you would probably need two licenses.

[evexon]

SpeedEDIT is licensed to be installed on one computer. For the scenerio mentioned about, you would probably need two licenses.

Allow me to share my opinion on the matter... That sucks. :(

Luckily the price isn't so prohibitive that I can't consider two SE licenses but don't ask me to turn in my Lightwave dongle for the SE licensing scheme. :hey:

[pnelson]

I think that LightWave customers will be happy with something that we are going to announce in the next couple of weeks.

I'll keep you posted on the "secret news"..

[Dodgy]

Could you link it to our LW dongles? That would be ideal :)

[bbeanan]

Sorry Philip I have to chime in... Dreamweaver checks your local network to see if you have more than one copy running at a time and if you do it says you are only allowed to run one copy at a time. Now I never read the actual license (who really does) but given the message I would "assume" so long as only one license is running at a time you arte ok.

But I'm with you it is so cheap just buy more than one copy... heck if you are doing that much editing you should be able to afford to buy as many copies as you need... I would assume there may even be some sort of bulk license price say buy 5 seats or something??

I think that LightWave customers will be happy with something that we are going to announce in the next couple of weeks.

I'll keep you posted on the "secret news"..

[evexon]

The one license per purchase may not be convenient but I don't see how you can say it sucks. How many computers does Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Final Cut, etc allow you to install?



Well I can say it sucks because that is my opinion. But how many computers does Newtek allow me to install lightwave on? See you only have yourself to blame for creating spoiled users. ;)

[pnelson]

Sorry for the tone of my post. After re-reading, I can see that I sounded like quite the TURD! ;)

This install issue is something we have been trying to solve for quite some time. The dongle thing is kinda interesting..We get so many emails from customers who don't like having a dongle b/c if something happens to the dongle, you have to send it back in and wait for the return. There is also the convenience factor of moving the dongle around to various systems.. The true Catch 22. :)

Thanks for the feedback and comments.

[Dodgy]

Nope, I love the dongle.... You can take it wherever you go, so I run my LW from a 60 gig portable USB HD, with all my settings on it, so as soon as I arrive at work, I have the same setup and plugins as I do at home. IF I go to a client's system, I can have my LW up and running in 2 minutes. Makes things soooooo much simpler! I've just switched my DFX+ parallel dongle for a USB one so I can start getting back into that. If you have to have a copy protection system, a dongle is much better than tied to a network card or hardware.

[Gordon]

This install issue is something we have been trying to solve for quite some time. The dongle thing is kinda interesting..We get so many emails from customers who don't like having a dongle b/c if something happens to the dongle, you have to send it back in and wait for the return. There is also the convenience factor of moving the dongle around to various systems.. The true Catch 22. :)
And those persons who are opposed to the dongle are very adamant about it. Having misplaced our LightWave dongle for the last three weeks, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. I didn't look forward to spending a $100 to get the lost dongle replaced. Turns out the dongle had slipped under the computer and we found it.

I also really like the network idea. Allow the user to purchase a network license for any number of copies, including 1. Speed Edit would be installed on only one machine on the network but could be run from any machine. Come to think of it, this would be great for LightWave as well.

[Speedmonk42]

The laptop/desktop scenario is getting pretty standard.

Some solution must exist.

As for dongles, well I bought the 9 upgrade and have never used it since I had everything stolen. So I am not a fan.

[rbartlett]

And those persons who are opposed to the dongle are very adamant about it. Having misplaced our LightWave dongle for the last three weeks, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. I didn't look forward to spending a $100 to get the lost dongle replaced. Turns out the dongle had slipped under the computer and we found it.

I also really like the network idea. Allow the user to purchase a network license for any number of copies, including 1. Speed Edit would be installed on only one machine on the network but could be run from any machine. Come to think of it, this would be great for LightWave as well.

Rainbow/Sentinel (etc) already have a provision for using a dongle as part of a license server (which can be a Win2kPro machine). You'd need a network/campus version of LW to make use of that (or a 3rd party driver that allows the USB protocol to work over IP / the-Internet). More usually you need a low latency connection so you might not be able to use such a license server when you are on a radio link to the Internet on the train etc. Although public transport is just the sort of environment you don't want to expose your valuable hardware dongle to.

[lwaddict]

Having loads of different software titles on hand and having dealt with many different security schemes...gotta tell ya folks...

dongles rule

Easiest to move from one pc to another...
Easiest to install with on pcs not on the net...

And for those who seem to have trouble remember where it is, I've got questions...

1.) USB Memory sticks...you stay away from these right? Same size.
2.) iPods...best not to have one of these around either.

There's a spot on the USB dongle to put a looped necklace type thing...
perhaps a leash?

Please make a way for SpeedEdit to attach to the Lightwave dongle, if that's what you were hinting at Phillip...that would be awesome.

[Gordon]

And for those who seem to have trouble remember where it is, I've got questions...

1.) USB Memory sticks...you stay away from these right? Same size.
2.) iPods...best not to have one of these around either.

There's a spot on the USB dongle to put a looped necklace type thing...
perhaps a leash?

Yep, all USB devices get lost and then found (so far) sometime later. The memory sticks I can get by without as all my software will still run. However, without the LightWave dongle, you can't do anything. And a 1 GB memory stick is about $25 to replace not $100. BTW, I do have a War Amps key tag on the LightWave dongle so hopefully, if I do really lose it, someone will find it and drop it in a mailbox to be mailed back to me.

I don't have use for an IPod - probably just loose it anyway :)

[bbeanan]

Here is a question??? As it should be possible to during install select local license or dongle? if you choose dongle then you need to supply your own 2 meg. memory stick and the license will be put there... the best of both worlds.

Then you "lock" the license to that USB stick in some fancy way...

[lesterfoster]

I don't have use for an IPod - probably just loose it anyway :)
I have a IPod. It is the smaller one. It is black in color. It was given to me by a friend who found it on the sidewalk. What should I do with it. It seems to work. But I have no need for it. How can I return it to it’s original owner? There is no War Amps key tag attached to it. or any other markings on it.

[Jim_C]

Not having an iPod either but wondering...

If the owner registered it with Apple, is there a way to get a registration # to appear on the screen? Then call Apple with it?

My boss found an Apple laptop in the airport, called Apple, they had him bring up the reg number on screen somehow, they used that to track to owner, actually called the owner immediately thru the contact numbers he gave them, and had him go to where my boss was in the airport.

When I asked him why he didn't just hand it over to lost and found, he simply said 'Don't trust em'.

[MBeck]

I have a IPod. It is the smaller one. It is black in color. It was given to me by a friend who found it on the sidewalk. What should I do with it. It seems to work. But I have no need for it. How can I return it to it’s original owner? There is no War Amps key tag attached to it. or any other markings on it.


Contact apple.. they more than likely can tell you who's it is.

[Red_Oddity]

Big Brothers knows? :p

[cellomangler]

Dongles do rule ! Please go with a dongle, Newtek. I'm sorry, but if you go for 3 weeks looking for a dongle and then finally look under your computer, you've got worse problems than a missing dongle. If we can hang onto rings, jewelry, keys, wallets -things that are moving around constantly- surely we can keep up with a piece of hardware that connects to our computer and stays there until we move it to another computer. At least make a dongle available for those of us who want it, even if we have to pay a nominal small fee.