End of 2nd Quarter

[dantor]

Is the end of June the end of the 2nd Quarter? :)

[John Perkins]

1.2 is VERY close ;)

[Mister B.]

BTW, what version is the latest one? 1.0.6305?

Marco

[pnelson]

SpeedEDIT 1.2... Coming soon to a computer near you. ;)

[Silkrooster]

Is a list of new features/fixes going to be released soon, or are you guys going to wait until the release date when ever that will be?
Just curious,
Silk

[pox]

SpeedEDIT 1.2... Coming soon to a computer near you. ;)

My Birthday is on the 17th of July, any chance of a early birthday present?:rolleyes:

[John Perkins]

Is a list of new features/fixes going to be released soon, or are you guys going to wait until the release date when ever that will be?
Just curious,
Silk

Here is the announced list from NAB:
WMVHD, VC1 and Windows Media Format 11 file writing support
VST audio filter plug-in support
DVCPro HD (MXF) file reading.
Real-time Output support for NewTek video hardware cards
Time Code burn-in effect
Advanced Crossfade types (Dip to color and additive)
Improved performance, quality, and stability

Here are a few more things I can think of...
Project backup wizard in Toolshed
HDRI image import
Faster image sequence handling
Forced I-frames at markers for long GOP codecs
Chapter point export for most supported codecs
An Output menu for selecting the current hardware output plugin. (1394 and NewTek I/O card currently)

And in general, everything is just faster and more stable.

I'm confident that we'll hit our release date goal, but we'll probably use every last minute to fine tune it.

[SBowie]

(1394 and NewTek I/O card currently)Now that looks interesting ....

[wvp]

...we'll hit our release date goal
Now, what date would that be? ;)

[Dave5121]

Here is the announced list from NAB:

Real-time Output support for NewTek video hardware cards


Here are a few more things I can think of...

An Output menu for selecting the current hardware output plugin. (1394 and

And in general, everything is just faster and more stable.

I'm confident that we'll hit our release date goal, but we'll probably use every last minute to fine tune it.

Will the features include real-time input support for NewTwk video hardware cards?

[Silkrooster]

Thanks John for taking the time to reply with the list.
Silk

[SBowie]

Will the features include real-time input support for NewTwk video hardware cards?I'm 99.9% sure it's "out only" ..

[Jim_C]

Project backup wizard in Toolshed


Hmmm what exactly does this include..?
Is it like the one Aussie wrote for the Flyer?

[John Perkins]

Will the features include real-time input support for NewTwk video hardware cards?

Yes, you already have a capture application with VT4.

(I know, that's not what you meant, but I'm in one of those goofy moods tonight)

You would capture using VT4, no point in reinventing the wheel when VT4 capture is already proven and fits the bill.

An interesting side note is that SE does show up in the VT switcher.



Countdown anyone? :devil:

[John Perkins]

Hmmm what exactly does this include..?
Is it like the one Aussie wrote for the Flyer?

Did Aussie write that? It's been so long I can't remember.

Mine won't control a tape backup (haven't seen one in a few years) but it does copy all the content to one location, sorts it into separate video, audio, CG, etc folders and makes a new project that knows the new locations.

It's for transport to another computer, backup to an external drive or just reorganizing yourself. You could burn it to a DVD if the project was small enough.

[Jim_C]

I think so John. But could be very wrong. I also think it came with Co-Pilot. Could be wrong there also.

But what I do remember it doing was cutting out just the needed footage from longer files and deleteing the rest. So if you only used 2 secs of a 10 minute piece of footage, it cut out the 2 secs with a couple secs on each end and deleted the rest.

Although I think it was a destructive process.

I like the sound of yours. It's pretty much what I sit and do after each edit now. Automation is good. :thumbsup:

[ScorpioProd]

But John, the one in SE 1.2 you mention does NOT trim unused footage off the clips though, right?

Of course, typically, with lossy compression that would require a render, so it's probably better not to trim for a backup.

[John Perkins]

There were several reasons for that, lossy compression being one.

Non I-frame compression is hard to trim. It requires a render unless you go to a massive amount of trouble for all the formats.
Multiple resolutions in the project could cause big problems on render and on replacing correctly.
We can read formats that we can't write, so rendering back to the original format was out of the question.

Hopefully I'll come up with something in the future, but this version does accomplish what a lot of people needed.

[ScorpioProd]

Definately sounds cool! :thumbsup:

[SBowie]

Hopefully I'll come up with something in the future, but this version does accomplish what a lot of people needed.How about a a few options:


Store the whole enchilada, as is.

Store as above but render (at original size) to SpeedHQ first (Maybe stills as PNGs?)

As above, but trimmed to length used in the project plus a user defined header/footer


The second two would take awhile, but I'm fine with overnight. They would also require a new project file to be created to match using the new filenames.

Not trivial to code, but great to have ...

[wvp]

I allready insist on organized file storage so when we finish something the archiving is simply copying the folders to an external. If needed later one would copy them back and be all set.
I'm not sure I would use something that changes my file structure. Are there other advantages for using this in my situation?

[John Perkins]

Probably not, but not everyone is as organized as you seem to be.

I've heard many people asking how to move scattered files to one location and inherit them back in for long enough to know that you are a rare, disciplined individual :thumbsup:

[kleima]

I also have a very standard set of folders (in fact I have an empty project folder structure that I start every project with and only rename the parent folder) that contains my project. The entire project will be in the sub-folders of that one folder. When I want to backup, I backup that one folder. If there are assets in the project that also reside elsewhere, I make a copy in the project folder so none will be missing if only that folder is backed up. So, I would never use a backup that would re-organize my folders. I never use the default file locations either. What would be much more useful to me (and, I think, very easy to implement) would be a place, in the toolshed or the spreadsheet, where I could designate a new project drive letter and have the entire project updated correctly. For example, if I move a project from W: on my editing WS over to the laptop for temporary mobile editing, I have to drill into every subproject and change the drive letter to D: because there is no W: on the laptop. While the spreadsheet does make this much easier than it could be, it is still a pain. If I could just change the project drive letter and have the project update all assets (because the entire file structure, other than the drive letter, is exactly the same) it would be most welcomed!
Also, while it may be difficult, a backup that would give the option of leaving the file structure intact, but trimming all the excess of the clips would be much more useful. For example, I have a one hour edited HDV project, right now, that is 50 GB (mostly the video footage)! I think that is more than five times the data of one hour of HDV footage. This is because all the footage is captured with autochop, and the clips are long and I am using small segments of long clips. Now it would be great if I didn't have to back up 50 GB! (I have already removed all unused clips from the project which used to be 116 GB!) Now, I wouldn't even mind if it didn't do this trimming (rendering) in native format. It could be all trimmed/rendered to Speed HQ at project resolution (so SD footage would be uprezed to HD, if the project was HD) as Steve Bowie said. This would reduce the variables for coding, but at least I could open up, and change, a backed up project that had only the data that was used in the project (with user defined headers & footers, as Steve said).

[SBowie]

Changing resolutions could mess up a project, though. Better to stick to the original size, I think.

[wvp]

...For example, if I move a project from W: on my editing WS over to the laptop for temporary mobile editing, I have to drill into every subproject and change the drive letter to D: because there is no W: on the laptop. ...
While I agree with everything you said note that if you are using an external (or even a secondary HD on the laptop) you can change the drive letter of the actual drive. Therby retaining your file structure.

[kleima]

Yes, but unless you have nothing but the project on that drive, it has a potential of messing a whole lot of other things up in the meantime.

[kleima]

I'm not sure what you mean, Steve. Do you mean for it not to do the up-rez of the SD portions? If that's what you mean, you're right, it would probably be best not to have it change resolutions for you.

[Jim_C]

I What would be much more useful to me (and, I think, very easy to implement) would be a place, in the toolshed or the spreadsheet, where I could designate a new project drive letter and have the entire project updated correctly.


This can already be done.
Set the new drive letter in the missing files path search in preference. Open the project, once, then resave.

All your paths have been updated.

If you save with a new name you now have a project that points to the original location and one that points to the new one.

[SBowie]

I'm not sure what you mean, Steve. Do you mean for it not to do the up-rez of the SD portions? If that's what you mean, you're right, it would probably be best not to have it change resolutions for you.By default, any "non-project res" imagery used in a project is auto-scaled on import. The editor may also deliberately perform scaling actions, not to mention pans, rotations etc.

The project file embeds all of this info; so if you archive rendered copies at project res only, all such project settings would be incorrect because the resolutions of the archived file no longer match the originals. That's the main reason I think SpeedHQ makes an ideal candidate for a backup file format. It can handle most anything you the at it, retaining the original resolution (and alpha.)

[kleima]

Jim,

Oh, boy!! Now that would have saved some work! Thanks!

[kleima]

Steve,

OK, good, now that we solved that, when do we get this new backup option? :)

[SBowie]

OK, good, now that we solved that, when do we get this new backup option? :)The one you and I have just dreamt up will likely not appear unti lwell aftrer the new one that will actually appear soon. ;)

[kleima]

But it was such a simple idea....

[dantor]

Two days until the end of the quarter. The 30th falls on a Saturday. I wonder if we will hear the news tomorrow.

[Thalek]

I'm hoping so, because after SE 1.2 comes out, then VT[5] moves up in the queue.

[wvp]

Well end of Summer 2006 came and went last year. I stopped checking the date. It will be here "soon" :)

[Thalek]

Well end of Summer 2006 came and went last year. I stopped checking the date. It will be here "soon" :)

A sensible attitude to take. [grin]

[JackJ]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the 1.2 patch to install? I think the problem might be something to do with my hard drive. When I go to start installing the new version, I get a pop-up window that tells me, "Critical Stop - You do not have the 1.2 patch yet. Please visit www.newtek.com for more information on this problem." Then again...maybe the problem is with the system clock...heh heh.:devil:

[Bob Clark]

Real-time Output support for NewTek video hardware cards

Does this mean we can use the Toaster card for our audio device?
Not saying I'm too cheap to add an audio card... but I've had no luck getting my onboard audio or an additional audio card to work with my very stable VT4.6 system.

[Thalek]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the 1.2 patch to install? I think the problem might be something to do with my hard drive. When I go to start installing the new version, I get a pop-up window that tells me, "Critical Stop - You do not have the 1.2 patch yet. Please visit www.newtek.com for more information on this problem." Then again...maybe the problem is with the system clock...heh heh.:devil:


I seem to have similar problems installing the 1.2 patch. Except my problem is finding the patch in my downloads. If it's not my system clock, maybe it's Newtek's? [grin]

[Fotolux]

I think NewTek's people are Einstein's fans. "Time is relative". :)

I know VT5 is delayed due to the virtual sets, but really, I beat a lot of us never will need such beautiful thing! At least me use my VT to editing. For graphics and animation I have independent workstations with Lightwave and After Effects.

Why don't NewTek release a "4.X" VT version with Speed Edit integrated? Or a least a pach to can use HDV in VT 4.6?

[ScorpioProd]

Does this mean we can use the Toaster card for our audio device?
Not saying I'm too cheap to add an audio card... but I've had no luck getting my onboard audio or an additional audio card to work with my very stable VT4.6 system.
I've only heard it talked about with regard to video output.

[SBowie]

Does this mean we can use the Toaster card for our audio device?If you mean, "Will Speed Edit 1.2 be able to play audio out through the VT card?" the answer is yes.

[ixlor8]

I have had the patch since May 17, 2007. It is 397KB in size. It took care all of my problems, and even solved some of the software issues I had.

Yah, I am pulling you leg. The Vista patch did solve the problems with crashes on my Vista system. Microsoft is still providing lots of updates for Vista.

Maybe SpeedEdit 1.2 will allow for audio preview while capture???

[JackJ]

Using the patch has made my eyesight keener, given my hair a glossy shine, and the milk in my fridge doesn't go bad like it used to! But audio preview on a firewire capture? That's just crazy. However, it does make a mighty fine Western omelette, and clean-up is a snap!

[DaveO]

do the new SE 1.2 features include: batch capture ? avi wrapper ?
Thanks
DaveO

[Scott Bates]

But audio preview on a firewire capture?Sure, just route audio out of camera/deck to speakers. You're still transferring A/V to SE via firewire, but can hear the audio as it happens.

[ScorpioProd]

If you mean, "Will Speed Edit 1.2 be able to play audio out through the VT card?" the answer is yes.
That's good, but I'm willing to bet it will still be limited to not playing newer than QT 6 audio.

[ScorpioProd]

Sure, just route audio out of camera/deck to speakers. You're still transferring A/V to SE via firewire, but can hear the audio as it happens.
But seriously, if you're capturing ANYTHING you should get preview audio through your computer. I certainly wouldn't want to carry around a set of speakers for a laptop. Are there ANY other NLEs that don't support this?

Heck, even the free WinDV has an audio preview option.

[SBowie]

That's good, but I'm willing to bet it will still be limited to not playing newer than QT 6 audio.I guess it will play whatever SpeedEDIT will play, Eugene, and no more.

[ScorpioProd]

Maybe SpeedEDIT 1.2 is being delayed to add virtual sets to it? :devil:

But seriously, if it takes a little longer to work the bugs out and to add critical things like a project loader to TMPGEnc, then the additional wait will be worth it.

I mean hey, none of you want bugs in SE 1.2, right?

And as for me, if it doesn't have a TMPGEnc loader, then SpeedEDIT won't be the NLE solution for me when I need speed. It's just the reality of the situation, so I'm really, really hoping that Newtek does NOT release SpeedEDIT 1.2 till it has a TMPGEnc loader.

[Thalek]

As I understand it, virtual sets are going to be part of SE 1.2.

As for not having bugs in it, I prefer buggy software. You see, I'm very lazy, so I prefer to exercise my cardio-vascular system by sitting in a chair swearing at the latest computer problem. I get my heart rate up and without all that tiresome walking or running about. :-)

I haven't heard one way or the other about a TMPGEnc loader. Maybe Bob can write a plug-in?

[SBowie]

As I understand it, virtual sets are going to be part of SE 1.2.
LiveSet, as it has been labelled, is a "live" virtual set solution - not relevant in an SE environment, really.

[ScorpioProd]

I haven't heard one way or the other about a TMPGEnc loader. Maybe Bob can write a plug-in?
No, it isn't something anyone but Newtek can put in.

SpeedEDIT doesn't provide "frames as requested" which a frameserver type application like Satish's DebugMode FrameServer plug-in would use.

http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/

Most other NLEs provide this, as shown by the large list of NLEs that it supports.

I use it for 100% of my MPEG-2 encoding from Vegas 7 directly into TMPGEnc.

I need this ability for SpeedEDIT, and it's up to Newtek to provide the ability. I'm sure the "frames as requested" feature is very useful to a number of other plug-ins as well... It's a pull versus push kind of thing. SpeedEDIT will push, but it won't pull.

Of course, if Newtek writes their own frameserver, that's fine, and I'll be very happy with it, as long as it as stable as Satish's.

Though personally, is this really what Newtek should spend their time writing instead of letting existing solutions work by making SpeedEDIT more standardized in its interfacing to the rest of the world?

[Pete Draves]

All of the other frame servers for other editors work by having the editor open.
This only has one project per encode to be frame served.
The newtek plugin does not require the project to be opened and tempgenc then can encode all in a batch process and the result is much more work thruput (speed) than any other editor running just a frameserver.

We are now accepting all formats of edited HD projects for blueray authoring.
This requires more than speed edit can provide at this time.
NewTek still has to play catch up. Oh yes the other editors now have multicam edit built in.
Newtek needs to adapt to the current flow. (buy frim BOB).

In most respects VT and speed edit are lightyears beyond the speed and thruput of every other editor. Yes, I did tests!


Respectfully
Pete

[ScorpioProd]

All of the other frame servers for other editors work by having the editor open.
This only has one project per encode to be frame served.
The newtek plugin does not require the project to be opened and tempgenc then can encode all in a batch process and the result is much more work thruput (speed) than any other editor running just a frameserver.


Very true and a valid point... BUT... I can honestly state that the FrameServer plug-in to Vegas 7 has NEVER choked on one of my projects... The same can't be said of the TMPGEnc plug-in to VT[4].

A frameserver is only as good as the projects it lets you encode!


We are now accepting all formats of edited HD projects for blueray authoring.
This requires more than speed edit can provide at this time.
NewTek still has to play catch up. Oh yes the other editors now have multicam edit built in.
Newtek needs to adapt to the current flow. (buy frim BOB).


Agreed, why reinvent the wheel? Newtek should buy Bob's plug-ins and integrate them!


In most respects VT and speed edit are lightyears beyond the speed and thruput of every other editor. Yes, I did tests!


Depends what you are doing... I'm gonna post a comparison in the near future...

[Pete Draves]

You are right Eugene, it depends what you do.
I do know the frame server for Premiere pro does not handle 3rd party plugins like boris well. but that is neither here nor their.

For fancy editing such as fast moving 30 sec tv spots I like premiere.

for standard cuts and simple fx VT or SE.

For HD encoding, Premiere and Encore CS3.

The work flow is different with each job.

Batch processing for encoding overnight is a must here.

I'm having fun earning money. Just have to pick the tools right.

Pete

[dantor]

Auuuggghhhh!

[Thalek]

LiveSet, as it has been labelled, is a "live" virtual set solution - not relevant in an SE environment, really.

Damn. I have SOME live applications for it, but it's even more useful to me in post.

[ScorpioProd]

I gotta disagree with Steve on this one, too.

I can see post applications for LiveSet as well.

Saying it's not useful is like saying the timestretch effect DVE which can only be used "live" wouldn't be useful in post as well. If it wasn't I wouldn't waste time playing VT-EDIT projects through the switcher and recapturing them just to use it.

And wouldn't it be fun to use ChromaFX in post?

Actually, when I talked with Andrew at NAB, he suggested to me that LiveSet would trickle down to SpeedEDIT itself after TriCaster Studio and VT[5].

But anyway, as long as I get a project loader to TMPGEnc with SpeedEDIT 1.2 this summer, I'll be happy. FrameServer support isn't coming, so a Newtek designed project loader is the only way.

And hey, if a project loader to TMPGEnc is important to the rest of you, MAKE SOME NOISE! Send the request to vidfeatures@newtek.com so Newtek knows it's not just me!

[SBowie]

I gotta disagree with Steve on this one, too.Sorry, not allowed. ;)

I can see post applications for LiveSet as well.In most respects, LiveSet can be replicated fairly easily in post already, Eugene, though arguably it could be interesting to see what might be done by implementing it as an effect in the editor. That said, 90% of it is a foreground, a chromakey and a background ... no magic required when you're doing it in post anyway. About the only part that poses a challenge is the reflection and refraction (which is cool but which can also be mimicked in post if push comes to shove.) Anyway, as LiveSet exists right now at least, it is a Switcher effect.

Actually, when I talked with Andrew at NAB, he suggested to me that LiveSet would trickle down to SpeedEDIT itself after TriCaster Studio and VT[5].That could be fun, but there are any number of things that would be much more valuable imho.

[ScorpioProd]

That could be fun, but there are any number of things that would be much more valuable imho.

Oh, I agree completely. It's just, you know, when something excites the programmers, that's what they tend to go with.

As has been said before, you don't remember the users asking for virtual sets.

Not that this can't be a good product differentiator, of course.

I still would love the timestretch DVE in post, it surprises me that it's impossible to do four field operations in post.

[billmi]

While I agree with Steve (even it's not allowed) that there isn't much point of the virtual sets in post, since they can already be done, my post-NAB understanding is that part of the virtual set technology is also a significant advance keying capability, and I do look forward to that trickling over to a future version of Speed Edit.

[tfrank]

It's just, you know, when something excites the programmers, that's what they tend to go with.

That explains things. Seems like we may need a couple of creative types in the loop to hold the reigns on those tech types!:D

[SBowie]

... my post-NAB understanding is that part of the virtual set technology is also a significant advance keying capability, and I do look forward to that trickling over to a future version of Speed Edit. I expect that will be the case.

[ScorpioProd]

So uh... Hate to be Mr. Obvious, but second quarter is over, time to end this thread, no? :devil:

[Thalek]

So uh... Hate to be Mr. Obvious, but second quarter is over, time to end this thread, no? :devil:

Well, I suppose we COULD continue it by now putting in posts lamenting on how the second quarter is over and we still haven't seen what we were promised.

But the only really good time to beat a dead horse is when you're trying to tenderize the meat. [grin]

[pnelson]

Ok.. Ok... I'll throw you guys a bone...

Check the NewTek website on Thursday July 5th!

[JackJ]

Quick, to the Time Machine!

[Thalek]

Quick, to the Time Machine!

Sorry. Someone a little further up the time stream came back and borrowed it so they could see what he means.

[tfrank]

Ok.. Ok... I'll throw you guys a bone...

Check the NewTek website on Thursday July 5th!
Any bones available for the "VT5" folks? ;)

[andrew_y]

http://www.newtek.com/speededit/images/vt5bone.jpg

[tfrank]

I like it! A little more "meat" next time though OK? My favorite part is it's simple design...there's more than a little "apple" thing going on here. Perhaps a transparent case would be in order to see all of the new features inside? :D Happy 4th!

[JackJ]

Hey, isn't that the bone the monkey-men beat the crap outta somebody with in 2001? Are rack-servers the new Monoliths?

[dliebzeit@minds]

:bowdown: Good one Andrew

[Fotolux]

Ok.. Ok... I'll throw you guys a bone...

Check the NewTek website on Thursday July 5th!

OK, It is Thursday July 5th an nothing yet!

[SBowie]

Well someone in Texas must have been up very early, or stayed up very late last nice then - because it was up before dawn local time.

[Verlon]

Probably stayed up late....I've seen the Newtek office in San Antonio...it looks more like a "stay up late" kind of place than a "get up early" one. :)

[Thalek]

Well, let's hear it for the Speed Edit team!

Thanks, folks!

Next stop, VT[5]!