10.2.5 causes random freezes with modeler

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 12:10 AM

I've run into a problem in the last few days since updating to 10.2.5 - and I'm assuming it's specifically because of the OpenGL changes that they implemented.

Whenever I try to rotate objects in the perspective view (almost always with smooth shading or wireframe shading turned on, but this could be irreleavant) the entire system simply freezes. Kaput.

Modeler gets the spinning beachball, and the entire system comes to a screeching halt. There's no kernel panic or other warning... the system simply stops responding altogether. Nothing short of powering down will get things going again.

I've not been able to use modeler for more than 10 minutes without this crash happening. Argh.

tapsnap · 04-15-2003, 08:31 AM

I'm having a similar problem on my powerbook. It started happening immediately after upgrading. In layout, after about 30 seconds to a minute after opening the scene the picture just disappears when I move any dialog box over it then the remaining image just freezes.
I'm getting really sick of these half-baked upgrades.

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 10:51 AM

Yeah.

I have this foolish hope that the reason for the month+ delay in the 7.5b mac update is actually because they were aware of something like this and planning to fix it.

Honestly, I've never had a system update (under X) bork me on anything like this before... unfortunately, the complete inability to "un-update" really leaves me kind of screwed here. Even re-installing the OS, it would try to update itself back to 10.2.5 "or nothing".

Dammit.

stevejh101 · 04-15-2003, 11:51 AM

I've started to have the same problem with my mac.
I can't even force quit.

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 01:02 PM

Right - same here. The whole system just goes away, and the only thing that will restart the system is a power-down.

Gotta love the infinte wisdom of Apple in completely eliminating the reset switch. Niiiiice. "Our OS is uncrashable, so why would you ever need to restart?" - *SMACK*

mbaldwin · 04-15-2003, 02:34 PM

same syndrome here. I'm glad it's not just me.

lt_ethe · 04-15-2003, 03:49 PM

Ditto all that. Bummer deal. I hope a fix comes soon.

Though I hadn't realized that the new Macs had lost the reset switch... My dual 500 has been getting its reset switch well worn these days.

mbaldwin · 04-15-2003, 04:03 PM

i was working on a single-layer model all morning, no problem.

As soon as it became a multi-layer object file I froze--coincidence? I'm gonna try to work in one layer again and see.

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 04:04 PM

Oh yes. It's beautiful... no reset switch, and no button to eject the CD/DVD drive tray. it has to be done from the keyboard now. It's really a bad idea.

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mbaldwin
i was working on a single-layer model all morning, no problem.

As soon as it became a multi-layer object file I froze--coincidence? I'm gonna try to work in one layer again and see.

Actually, I hadn't paid attention to that specific condition - but the model that froze for me was also multi-layer. I'll have to pay attention to see if there's a correlation.

roberthurt · 04-15-2003, 05:46 PM

Could you guys post a brief summary of your hardware setup? I've not run into problems yet (though I think I can take credit for first contacting NewTek about what turned out to be the 7.5b diffuse shading bug) but sometimes these things can be related to a particular hardware/software combo...

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by roberthurt
Could you guys post a brief summary of your hardware setup? I've not run into problems yet (though I think I can take credit for first contacting NewTek about what turned out to be the 7.5b diffuse shading bug) but sometimes these things can be related to a particular hardware/software combo...

My machine is a dual 1.25 quicksilver with 1.5 gigs of ram running a very recent (machine is only 2 months old) install of the OS. No fancy extras mucking with the system. The video card is Apple's OEM Radeon 9000 card, connected to a 21" cinema display.

(side note: if apple doesn't make the 9700 available for direct purchase soon, I'm going to have to write a Strongly Worded Letter?. The only reason I bought the machine was because they swore up and down that I could upgrade to a 9700 later.)

lt_ethe · 04-15-2003, 06:29 PM

Dual 500 Mhz G4, 1 GB Ram, Radeon 8500, Mac OS 10.2.5.

Definitely attributable to the new OS build.

OBTW, I'm running 7.5b. I had no noticable problems with it, and got it before it was taken down. The freeze has only come up with 10.2.5

chrisdz · 04-15-2003, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lt_ethe
Dual 500 Mhz G4, 1 GB Ram, Radeon 8500, Mac OS 10.2.5.

Definitely attributable to the new OS build.

OBTW, I'm running 7.5b. I had no noticable problems with it, and got it before it was taken down. The freeze has only come up with 10.2.5

I was running 7.5b and figured the problem was due to the patch - so I switched back to my 7.5 clean install, and the problem persisted... so I would say it's not a 7.5b-related issue.

justinowens · 04-15-2003, 07:30 PM

I updated to 10.2.5 the other day and haven't had any problems with LightWave (layour or modeler). In modeler I've been constantly using multi-layered objects, no freezes or anything.

I'm running LW 7.5 on a 933Mhz G4, 1.5gb of RAM and a Nvidia Geforce 4 card.