Were the G5 specs exaggerated?

Ade · 06-24-2003, 05:45 AM

lied specs?

Please speculate..

Red_Oddity · 06-24-2003, 06:24 AM

Yup, like all Apple's benchmarks, can't blame them though, we all know it's bull, and all companies do it, not just Apple...

http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/27615

Sorry, it's dutch, but it gives you something to think about, as the benchmarks there speak volumes...

Lightwolf · 06-24-2003, 06:38 AM

There is nothing to speculate. The intel SPEC marks by Apple are correct, but the assumption under which they were produced were wrong.
If I used Lightwave Linux compiled with gcc I might care, but I use Lightwave Windows compiled with the intel compiler, so Apple's comparison doesn't have any relevance to me...
Let's all wait for some real benchmarks (Oh, I'd like to see some Opteron benches as well, especially 64 bit benches in September with the 64 bit Windows for AMD).
Cheers,
Mike

Red_Oddity · 06-24-2003, 07:13 AM

Yup, to get the full scope what they did, read this:

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

Apperantly they 'cheated' a lot, so these benchmarks are really off this world...

If only Apple would have given us some decent benchmark results, and not just comparing G5s to x86 machines, but also to G4s so i know how big the difference is gonna be between the G5 and my dual G4 1.42GHz machine, i mean, i spend a sh:te load of money on it, so atleast let me know if i have been screwed in the rear or not...or gonna get screwed over again...

Ade · 06-24-2003, 07:16 AM

I just posted that url.. Anyway is this page right in saying Apple lied? Should I be pissed off...again at Apple for their BS?
Should we spread this anti G5 info around the net? Teach apple a lesson?

I dont know, after all its been a while since mac faithfuls could hold their heads up high.

Lightwolf · 06-24-2003, 07:23 AM

Hi Ade,
since I'm from the dark side ( -> intel / windows)...
That URL isn't the only place pointing out the obvious errors. I would have been quite happy if the G5s would actually perform in relation to intel according to Apple's claims, I like the price, I like the design, but I don't really like the hype, so I'm back to my no-switch position.
As far as spreading is concerned... Well, c't, Germany's largest (and best) computer mag pointed at the SPEC discrepancies at the same time they spread the G5 news, and it will make the rounds anyhow. Shame on Apple though for having to BS like that.
Hey, I'm p***ed off at Apple too, and I'm not even an Apple fan

Cheers,
Mike

panini · 06-24-2003, 08:07 AM

Of course. Steve is one of the worst liars on the planet.
I wouldn't even trust they had G5 chips in there. It wouldn't be the first time a company used their box with something completely different inside.
Did anybody check?

With every new announcement he says Macs are faster and mhz do not matter.

Now at G5 announcement he says: "We have finally not only caught up with PCs , but leapfrogged them "

So in that sentence right there ( caught up part ) he admitted to lying all these previous years. Why should we believe him now.

The good news for Apple users is that it will be much better than G4 . On the other hand you can't buy this thing yet. You can buy a 64bit AMD chip and stick it into your PC if you really want to. As a matter of fact that has been true since april, so I don't know what Steve is so excited about ( not to mention that Athlon 64 bit is due around the same time as this G5 and Pentium 5 is also ready any time. Intel simply has no need to introduce it when they can keep making money with the current P4 which right now has no competition.

And the Pixar guy , when he says "this is the fastest computer....", his eyes tell more than any lie detector. Anybody who took psychology 101 could recognize that one. It's actually funny.

I also checked that Veritest fine print, so yes they cheated in the whole set up and they still lost some tests ( they just didn't publish those on their site )

Johnny · 06-24-2003, 08:12 AM

yup..the time for BS, geek speak, mumbo-jumbo, and funny mirrors is O-VER!

this allegedly super-fast G4 I have on my desk is bought and paid for, does the job and will have no high-dollar company on my desk until there's hard, solid evidence that a truly faster Mac is HERE, in reality, no goofy interpretation of benchmarks, no cheating, no playing around.

we need to de-Enron the bench testing.

Johnny

Ade · 06-24-2003, 08:36 AM

Even if apple released a quad G6 pc ppl would still stay pc.

Johnny · 06-24-2003, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ade
Even if apple released a quad G6 pc ppl would still stay pc.

yeah..and though I'm a big fan of Mac OS, I can't say I blame them...

there's nothing compelling to make them flip to Mac. plus, there's been too much in the way of empty promises and snake-oil salesmanship.

I am completely disgusted...

J

Karl Hansson · 06-24-2003, 10:07 AM

I think it's to early to attack the G5. If there is a case of BS marketing it will show soon enough. But right now nobody has access to the new G5 and can not make any real judgement whether it is good enough. All companies have agressive marketing and any adult educated person should know that you cannot base your purchases upon that marketing only, especialy not at these prices. Personally I don't really care if mac is the fastest computer in the world or not, if it is then it is a very temporary state. The important thing is that the mac is way up there now and that apple has a continuing plan (3ghz) something they lacked when releasing the G4. I for one (probably the only one at this forum) is very excited about the new G5.

just my opinion.

skippy · 06-24-2003, 10:15 AM

yeah...*IF* Apple is way up there, things might be ok for now.
but I'm not convinced that the G5 really IS 'up there.'

almost every time I've seen a G4 benchmark, it's been with a wagonload of caveats..if this, this, this, this AND that, then the G4 is faster...otherwise, not.

Having a truly blazing Mac is more important with respect to attracting more people to the platform, and another round of RDF will not be a good thing for Mac.

s

Lamont · 06-24-2003, 11:55 AM

Anyone can manipulate a graph so it looks like the results are in your favor.

I say wait till it hits the market, one of you guys will get one and tell us how it really is.

policarpo · 06-24-2003, 12:42 PM

DUDES!!! get back to making beautiful work.

The new G5 machines will be out in late August and we'll know how they stack up rather quickly.

Hell, build a custom scene now that is just amazing so you can test it on the new boxes from Apple.

Go and make something beautiful and leave the bickering to people who aren't comfortable with their own talent, and evolve into an artist who can pull off something magnificient no matter what kind of computer they use.

Lightwolf · 06-24-2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by policarpo
... and evolve into an artist who can pull off something magnificient ...

I'm no artist, I just need to make money doing 3d

Cheers,
Mike